Posts by cha ching

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True Stories from the Tower - Part 1 "From Anointed to Pedophile to Bethelite"

by BluePill2 in

before i dive into the actual write-up of this experience, let me put some things straight.. i have thought long and hard if i should write more about my experiences during the 10+ years at different branches.

during these years i worked from financial department, service department, home office and different it assignments.

as you can imagine one sees and hears and reads a lot of stuff going through different stations in different countries.

cha ching

BluePill2..... I have always wondered... What IF the WT paid people off? What IF the WT was like any other corporation, and used it's big corporate powers, money and lawyers to underhandedly "delete" the opposition thru powers at their disposal? (disfellowshipping, corrupt police, losing jobs, losing families, being mentally tortured) It would be scary to live in a different country (I am in the U.S.) and face the real possiblity of 'ending up in a ditch face down.' Not to say that it couldn't, or hasn't, happened here.....

Getting information to the public, or the congregations, releasing it to those that can expose them, do their investigative stories seems as tho it might be the beginning of the crack in the ice...

My husband was talking to someone we knew in the past, who has stepped down because of the sad way he has seen people treated in the Borg. He knew nothing of the Candace Conti case. I doubt most JWs do either. This old friend was willing to talk w/my husband even when he found out he was DF'd for 'speaking abusively of the glorious ones' because he respected him testifying in a pedophile trial, coming forward with the truth, trying to do what is right. These kinds of people may be affected by information. Right now, they are led to believe "It's just my congregation." "Jehovah will straighten them out"

Perhaps when the immensity and severity of the problem is seen, that the organization is involved, people with a conscience will have the strength to leave.

Will people do what is right because it is right? or do what is wrong, simply because they are told to do what is "illogical from a human standpoint?"

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ONE REASON

by snare&racket in

jw
friends

out of interest, and to formulate a cordial chat, would you give your top one reason for your belief or non belief?.

my foremost 'one reason' for non belief is:.

the historical evidence that provides an explination and timeline for how the modern religious doctrine's and dogma developed over time.. .

cha ching

I believe in a "Creator" / "Inventor" of some kind... not that I believe he exists now, I don't know.

My reason? DNA.... I do not see such technically touchy things coming about by fumbling or accident.. DNA is just the beginning... Let's say "eyeball" or "feather" "heart" "Photosynthesis" "enjoyment of sex" .... So diverse, so complicated.

The need? hey, we were quite able to live as 'accidental one celled whatevers' in the ocean... Why evolve? oh, did we know we had to, to survive? hmmm, did we live long enough to evolve? Just getting one cell to exist, and then to 'divide' is quite a mathematical enigma in itself. The universe is diverse, and organized and wonderful.

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This religion is like fairy floss / cotton candy!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

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just a random thought......... i just realised that the religion we know as jw is like fairy floss or cotton candy!.

appears to be sweet to newcomers, looks light and fluffy and colourful, but it is bad for your health!.

cha ching

Well said, SparrowDown.... We got "screwed"

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I am on the edge of a freak out ..... I think???

by DATA-DOG in

jw
friends

so the rc really sucked, but i made it through.

the propaganda was mind blowing.

i don't know if the crap will be available on the official website or not, but hopefully it gets leaked somehow.

cha ching

Dear DataDog.... I think the suggestion: "Just tell the elders you have health/ stress problems" is the best. Tell your wife "I cannot take the stress, I am having anxiety, I cannot go anymore for health reasons.' (and really, really, really don't ever, ever, ever talk to the elders... just start breathing hard, holding your heart, and say "I can't, I can't, I need to be alone" LOL, LOL, LOL

You will totally have soooooooooooooooooooooo much more peace when you do not go or listen. Sit outside in your garden, watch a TV show and don't feel guilty, take a walk around the block... Your head will start to clear.

Take care, and let us know how it goes. .. Cha ching

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This religion is like fairy floss / cotton candy!

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

.

just a random thought......... i just realised that the religion we know as jw is like fairy floss or cotton candy!.

appears to be sweet to newcomers, looks light and fluffy and colourful, but it is bad for your health!.

cha ching

Good analogy stuckinarut2! Sweet, fluffy, pretty on the outside, but when it comes down to it, no substance. Need a friend? need help? It all disappears in a lick!

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An update on shunning (at the store).

by quellycatface in

jw
friends

i was called into a meeting by one of the department managers last week.

i had a meeting this morning.. anyway, to cut a long story short.

the people involved in this will be called into a private meeting and spoken to.

cha ching

Dear Quellly:

Thanks for speaking up. I think J-dubs get the feeling that they can do ANY thing they feel like to the "outcasts"! and that they shall feel no consequence, that 'we' shall just 'suck it up' and 'take our whippings and our shame."

NOT!

Actually, this experienc shows who the nice, happy, loving people are, and exposes the WT robots carrying out injustice. Are the robots trained to follow Jesus in love, or the WT in "legalistic bullying"?

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Expect more Crazy as JW.ORG trims the fat and fills the coffers.

by donuthole in

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friends

when rutherford assumed the presidency of the watchtower society he instituted series of sweeping changes to the teachings and practices of the bible students.

some of these changes were at complete odds with what had been taught previously.

a key example was the elevation of the watchtower society as "god's visible organization on earth".

cha ching

I totally can see this happening. I see people becoming more and more "Yes, I will obey" and robot-like, spouting pre-proposed phrases from their mouth...

"Jehovah will take care of it" "The light gets brighter" "We need to trust in the organization" "The brothers know what is best for us."

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International conventions - Seattle

by Lynnie in

just found out from my jw mom that the congregations located in the suburbs north of seattle.

will be renting buses to shuttle people back and forth to the international convention at husky.

stadium.

cha ching

Hey Lois, maybe you saw me there, in Pasadena! an 8 day assembly? (or was it 9?) I was about 8 years old, and remember the concrete benches we sat on from 9 am to 9 pm.. also, we had garbage bags with holes in the top so that we c/slip them over our heads like a raincoat, whiles we held umbrellas over our heads... It was also hot there at times.

I also remember the loooooong drive down there from the bay area, no super freeways then, and we went with another sister and her 2 girls. My mom (her two girls) and the others made 6 in our pink Impala sation wagon... good thing we could lay down in the back in those days! We stayed with a fam down there.... I can't remember if it was this assembly or another LA ordeal, but at one of them I got a terrible, terrible bloody nose (from the heat?) and another one I broke out in a rash from the heat, barely got my mom to agree to take me back to the house we stayed in, but had to lay in the hallway because our car was blocked by other friendly 'parkers' and I had to take a cold cold shower to get rid of the bumps... such sacrifices for what? What do you remember from those conventions? blah, blah, blah....

The only thing I loved about those assemblies, the only thing that made them tolerable, the only thing that kept me alive, were the noon time dishes of ice cream topped with nectarines! Yum!

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This is my first post

by Make Lemonade in

i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

there are resources here that are deep.

like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

cha ching

jgnat: Although you say "why spend so much energy on that person"... it's because she can turn people against me. I told my boss (after a year and a half) how this girl would make me cry, etc, etc... I had nightmares. (I had probation of 9 months before becoming permanent)

One week, when my coworker said "I notice you haven't been getting so much done" I replied: "I am working every minute." but then, because I have this "need" & then I 'remember'... "Oh, yeah, our new person hasn't been filing in the back of these forms (I did tell her that I would so that our team and process c/go faster) and I have been filling them in for her, and it takes a while."

Now, at the beginning of my employment here, if I didn't have an 'x' in a box, or a check mark in a box (versus a line thru it) I would have hell to pay "
Why didnl't you do that, you are not being complete" Well my "co" likes the new girl, and DID NOT SAY ANYTHING to her about it, she just 'filled it in for her'... So when my 'co' replied, 'yeah, i have noticed that too, do you want me to say something to her about it?" I said (naively) 'if you want to'l

The next week, I come back to work, the new girl is treating me totally different, before she was friendly, talkative, etc. My boss spoke to me verrrrry strictly business.... I finally got an inkling of what happened when new girl said, 'i don't want any trouble, I will just do my job, I don't want to involve the boss, no problem, i will stay after work, i don't want people saying I don't finish my stuff... (something my co w/threaten me with in an indirect way "I don't want to say anything to the boss about this, but....)

My boss finally says to me "It seems to me. cha ching, you are just like the person you described!" "You do the same thing"

Lately, the health and information dept has arranged for "communication" classes once a month... My problem is that my co & I are basically an isolated 'team' (use the word lightly) and no one can see what happens but her and I.

In one day, she had people who liked me looking at me as if i was evil. Alot like the WT, ambient abuse.

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This is my first post

by Make Lemonade in

i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

there are resources here that are deep.

like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

cha ching

LisaRose: Interesting that you brought up how "Your conscience is based on what this org taught me" and "I can't 'conscientiously' go back." I just came across a stray old WT(Feb 15, 1994) RE: "Jehovah's Witnesses- A Cult or Ministers of God?" and was talking to my sister (not a believer in the cult any longer) and she said that if asked, she would basically boil it all down to, "Well, I don't like liars or hypocrites, God doesn't either, so I can't attend JW's any longer, the leaders, the writers, the GB are liars and hypocrites."